POLL Differently abled Masters

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PoP abilities and how they may be quantumly entangled

  1. Same abilities for all Power level ups

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  2. Different abilities for all Power levels

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  3. Same first level abilities then PoP specific

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  4. Ley line specific abilities with non contiguous ley lines

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  1. ShoughtLoud

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    Alright. The fight we've all been waiting for. The one, the only, the time when the Undertaker threw Mankind off the top of a cage in the June 28th 1998 Hell in a Cell match.

    Back to reality, Places of Power. Unlocking and leveling up different powers in a PoP affords the Master new abilities, this is a known known. A common known unknown however is whether, or not, leveling powers of the same type across two different PoPs gives the same ability to the Masters.

    Examples
    • Did Nien have 30% off all spell casts for having a Place of Power that had its level 1 Water power unlocked, ie the Tranquil Soul ability?
    • Does the Hearth Mother have +30% growth to the physical minfestation of her PoP for the Life ley line ability?
    • If Richter had a fire ley line would he get +30% power to summons like the king of Yves?
    Alternatively the point has been made that they could be specific to each place of Power.
    • The king of Yves would not receive 30% off of spells for unlocking the water power ie tranquil soul
    • Nien had alternate powers for his water ley line
    • The hearth mother does not get +30% to the growth of the physical minfestation her PoP
    There are even some who say that leylines are not contiguous, and separate ley lines of the same power offer different abilities but PoPs on the same ley line would get the same ability. Still others have posited that, while the first level of power abilities are all the same, the second level abilities and beyond are PoP specific.

    Let us know what you think, and if you want a new option on the poll please put the option you would like in quotes so I can copy paste it. There is a character limit but I'll keep the spirit of your option as best I can.
     
  2. Andrew Lynas

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    I think that the First Level are most likely to be the same (or at least there being only a very few options?), but that the Second Level depends on the Elements that make up the PoP but are still mostly predictable based on similar PoP Elemental Convergences but a much larger possibility list, but that every Level after that they become more divergent with a larger possibility base and semi-Unique to the PoP.
     
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    I think the ley lines shape the land but the land also flavors the ley lines back.

    I think they will all be unique but possibly still some what similar at level 1 and definitely different past level 1. His PoP spell are interactions between each ley line. I think the presence of different ley lines would add flavor to each other and the bonuses they give. So level 1 more pure but probably still effected and as they get higher level much more effected.

    For example a fire ley line might bring bonuses and resistances to fire magic, but fire plus life might bring passion so population growth and village moral or fighting spirit.
     
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    Here is my guess:

    The ley line abilities of a place of power are randomly selected from a pool of options each time the PoP is leveled. This pool of options consists of abilities ranked from common to legendary. Rarer abilities become more likely with each PoP level. And certain abilities may be more likely for specific places of power, or unique to a place of power. For Yves' PoP clearly has an affinity for elementals which has influenced not only it's dungeon, but also it's PoP abilities(specifically it's fire ley line).

    Level 1 abilities are always passive.

    Level 2+ abilities are always active (Portal to Narina) or triggered (Death's Servant)

    My prediction is that the level 2 water ability for the MV will be a unique ability related to mist or The Mists. I also predict that, with his luck, one of the other abilities will either be Mythic or Legendary.
     
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    I like the idea of different rarity. It fits the land. Would not be suprised if we find out there are different rarity PoPs. I don't think it is necessarily needed or that I would like that, but i could see it.
     
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    I do not think some are rarer than others, not in the way you imply.

    Dual-line pops are likely the most common type, then there are three-line, and four-line pops like the ones in Yves and the mist village. Four line pops are probably really, really rare so thats where the special sauce comes in, with rarer abilities at higher ranks unlocked from multiple powers interacting. If they are rare enough (which I believe they are, given that there are hundreds of different 4-power combinations) each pop with four leylines would be effectively unique. Sure an equivalent pop may exist somewhere, but the odds are quite small.
     
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    To be specific (because I was curious), all else being equal, the chance of another 4-power PoP having the exact same set of ley lines is 1 in 70.
     
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    Thank you
     
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    eight elements
    life, death, earth, wind, water, fire, light, darkness

    So
    life, death, earth, wind
    life, death, earth, water
    life, death, earth, fire
    life, death, earth, light
    life, death, earth, darkness
    life, death, wind, water
    life, death, wind, fire,
    life, death, wind, light
    life, death, wind, darkness
    life, death, water, fire
    life, death, water, light
    life, death, water, darkness
    life, death, fire, light
    life, death, fire, darkness
    life, death, light, darkness

    life, earth, wind, water
    life, earth, wind, fire
    life, earth, wind, light
    life, earth, wind, darkness
    life, earth, water, fire
    life, earth, water, light
    life, earth, water, darkness
    life, earth, fire, light
    life, earth, fire, darkness
    life, earth, light, darkness

    life, wind, water, fire
    life, wind, water, light
    life, wind, water, darkness
    life, wind, fire, light
    life, wind, fire, darkness
    life, wind, light, darkness

    life, water, fire, light
    life, water, fire, darkness
    life, water, light, darkness

    life, fire, light, darkness

    those are the ones with life in them

    death, earth, wind, water
    death, earth, wind, fire
    death. earth, wind, light
    death, earth, wind, darkness
    death, earth, water, fire
    death, earth, water, light
    death, earth, water, darkness
    death, earth, fire, light
    death, earth, fire, darkness
    death, earth, light, darkness

    death, wind, water, fire
    death, wind, water, light
    death, wind, water, darkness
    death, wind, fire, light
    death, wind, fire, darkness
    death, wind, light, darkness


    death, water, fire, light
    death, water, fire, darkness
    death, water, light, darkness

    death, fire, light, darkness

    These contain death but not life

    earth, wind, water, fire
    earth, wind, water, light
    earth, wind, water, darkness
    earth, wind, fire, light
    earth, wind, fire, darkness
    earth, wind, light, darkness

    earth, water, fire, light
    earth, water, fire, darkness
    earth, water, light, darkness

    earth, fire, light, darkness

    These contain earth but neither life nor darkness

    wind, water, fire, light
    wind, water, fire, darkness

    wind, water, light, darkness

    wind, fire, light, darkness
    these contain wind, but not life, darkness and earth

    water, fire, light, darkness
    consist of the final four :)

    Feel free to count them, should be 70 in total unless I missed some (my brain started skipping around halfway through):)
    It was wrong of me to say hundreds, I had already done the calculation but 70 seemed too low and I did not feel like doing the calculation again.
     
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    I didn't mean anything by it, I just saw you say hundreds, then he went ahead and said 70~ and I was happy that someone else did it first since 100's irked me (I may have a problem)


    For those at home it's
    n!/(r!(n-r)!)
    Or
    (N)factorial divided by the total of the (R)factorial multiplied by the factorial of the difference between N and R.
    Where 'n' equals total powers (8)
    And 'r' equals the number we fill (4)

    This post brought to you by "its 72 out 10 beers down, and I've literally nothing better to do, thanks to @Covid19"
     
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    I know. (n, r) is a funny one. But now we have definit proof, and we have a list of all the pop's. Now its your turn though, list the number of 2 power pops XD
     
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    ..... Nooooooooo
    I don't wannnnaaaaaaaaaaaaa
     
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    come on dude, only 28.
     
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    Possible combinations for pops of power
    0 powers (possible?): 1 combination
    1 power (possible)?: 8 combinations
    2 powers: 28 combinations
    3 powers: 56 combinations
    4 powers: 70 combinations
    5 powers: 56 combinations
    6 powers: 28 combinations
    7 powers: 8 combinations
    8 powers: 1 combination


    ...huh, now that I think about it, that chart actually helps for the book I'm making. Good to know!
     
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    that is assuming you can't have a PoP with 2 or more lines of the same type. Is the line contiguous and such would looping back on one's self make a PoP? or are there multiple line of a basic magic that can cross. It would make sense to me that the line would follow the corresponding moon, but I don't think it follows such a neat line (plus the line would move every rotation, unless the moon is just right).
     
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    I think it is fair to assume that there are more than 1 ley line for each power, otherwise certain ley line types would be limited to geographical areas. For instance, earth ley lines could be limited to only being in the southern hemisphere. I would assume that two ley lines of the same power could cross each other, but I would think that a PoP would require at least 2 different powers to intersect. However that raises the possiblity for a PoP to be present on a convergence of something like Life, Dark, and Life. This is an interesting theory and, if true, would change the number of possible combinations.
     
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