Eagerly Awaiting Book 9 [SPOILERS!]

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    richto now be hulk.. he smash
     
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    Just finished relistening to Richters choosing his Enchanter Specialization and I just realised something. Essence Enchanting was an option because Richter was the Master of a Place of Power and Ambient Enchanting was an option because he was a Chaos Seed, so I'm thinking that it's very likely that pretty much any of his possible future Specializations with have an Option connected to him being PoP Master and him being a Chaos Seed.
    So he should have some special PoP & Chaos Seed Specialization Options in the future for Warrior & Mage (ect) and probably Crafting as well, that combined with his Limitless Ability their should be some interesting Options.

    Plus he may have had more Enchanting Specialization Options if had had all Basic Elements, all Deeper Magics, Chaos Magic, Building Skill, Crafting Skill ( possibly several with different crafting skills), Scribeing Skill and Tattoo Art Skill.
     
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    Check out cradle or infinite realm if you havent already. I would suggest that order too because infinite realm is a combo of the land style (litrpg) and cradle (cultivation/progression)
     
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    Because the Ambient Enchanting Specialization Option was due to Richter being a Chaos Seed then it's pretty likely that Richter will come across another Chaos Seed Enchanter Professional that has this as a Specialist Option, so he may very well meet a Chaos Seed that picks Ambient Enchanting as a Specialization.

    Also he is pretty likely to meet other Chaos Seeds that pick other Chaos Seed centric Options as Specializations in different Professions, this might help to inform him of future Choices that he could make.
     
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    Aleron has said that Alma is now about the size of a Great Dane.
     
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    That is a big dragon. 195 cm in height, 130 kilo of muscles.
     
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    When Richter got to Level 10 in Blood Magic he gained the capability to use the Blood of others to pay the Health Cost of his Blood Magic Spells. So I'm thinking that it's likely that Spirit & Thought Magic also grant capabilities that help in their use at Level 10 (and at other Ranks), will be interesting to see what they are.
     
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    *Cries in level 2 spirit magic
    Seriously, I get that they were dangerous to use, but if he had the ability to use his brain ever (and also a couple fewer fires to put out) spirit magic is right there.
    Tame a level 1 spell, drastically decreased requirements for cool downs after reaching initiate and apprentice level, bonus usability of blood magic at level 10.
    With his Luck and Aura, not training spirit magic is literally detrimental to future growth. Great level 8 spell falls in his lap? His current spell has a 24 hour cool down. Initiate level spell? Months away.
    He's leaning on it as a crutch against higher level enemies, but he could have taken anything but maybe the rock giant without it. He needs to just nut up and train it every single day and bank on luck for having it available in a boss battle (that he can generally see coming a day or two in advance), until his cooldown improves.
     
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    If I remember correctly Richter tried to give some of Alma's Psi Poison to the Dungeon, I think it failed but not sure am relistening to that Book now so repost if it did or did not succeed (failed due to being from a Unique altered creature). Anyway having Richter give some of Alma's Blood to the Dungeon was unlikely due to Her Tiny Size but know that she has become so much bigger then it is indeed much more of a possibility of him doing so, and with her being Evolved/Tiered Up now then it's even more likely that her Blood would be classed as Rare. If he does do this then that might cause some of the Beasts/Animals to develop Psi Abilities or at least improved defences against them, and might cause the Dungeon to give Richter a Boon of either increased Mental Aegis of even a Psi Ability?
     
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    I suspect that while Richter will most likely gain Zootomy, it's most likely not going to occur for quite some time. Unless he can get a Skill Book on it or takes part many bodies of a creature with a very simple biological structure.
     
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    I have just had an amusing thought, if Caulder does happen to have survived as a Undead then he might well end up going back to Richters MV Domain (either consciously or unconsciously) and once he enters it he might well be pulled towards the Sepulchre by it's Death Magic and have it try and Bind him to it, which would mean that he would be surrounded by Kendir, and we all know how he feels about them.
     
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    I think it failed and it did so because she’s unique and he didn’t want to tell her that and have her strut around more.
     
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    What are the chances that Kong has delayed book 9 because he had it finished but read a fan theory somewhere that ended up being exactly right?
     
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    Or read a fan theory that was BETTER so he rewrites to use it instead (hypothetically).
     
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    Somewhere else a guy on here said that he doesn’t involve himself with ‘em because of copyright violations or some such.
     
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    I so hope that's not the case, this whole subverting expectations is the biggest pos, because we have shitty authers. Case in point DnD subverting expectations in GoT.
     
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    I love some good subversion.

    Say guy gets reincarnated, first thing he sees a huge, grotesque, angry looking troll with layers of fat and tiny beady eyes, fighting a handful of humans including a couple youths near a burning caravan. Helps kill the troll only to learn that was a peaceful merchant he just helped a group of bandits murder. Soon after he is wanted as a bandit himself with a justified alive or dead bounty on his ass.

    Punishing MC when he runs in with a half baked idea of what is happening is awesome subversion. A good MC is human, and occasionally makes mistakes, which is a subversion of the usual litrpg Mary Sue or self-insert who runs in with no idea what is happening and comes out covered in gold. In real life chances are you do more damage by acting without knowledge than you do by waiting till you have at least an inkling.

    The wandering inn does it beautifully. Emperor Larken, a human transferred from Earth who becomes an emperor after making a deal with an insane evil god who has been dead for tens of thousands of years, attacks what he presumes is a goblin warband using poison gas.

    The only issue, that was just a wandering goblin tribe, led by chieftain Rags, another of our secondary main characters though a native. As a result thousands of civilians and children die from the gas attack and Larken's army, being natives who hate goblins due to millennia of prejudice, go berserk and cut down anyone they can get to in sight, carving down even more goblin civilians as the survivors try to flee. Some fight as goblins always fight in this world as long as their chieftain lives, but females with young are noted as an exception to that rule.

    Larken having yet to realize what the actual situation is on the front, continues to send his riders to attack and harass the goblin tribe, until he gets his ass kicked and loses a bunch of his own people in a complete clusterfuck of a war that neither side wanted. Laken then gets forcefully recruited by lord Tyrion for his drake war, building trebuchets for a man driven mad by grief, so that he can attack and slaughter the inhabitants of a drake city. Using a huge swarm of goblins.

    At no point did Larken have the information required to act differently, but that doesn't change the fact that thousands of innocents died because of his orders. The buck lands with him whether its fair or not, a stain on his immortal soul that can never be washed away. And all because he wanted to do the right thing and protect his people.

    Delicious.

    Act, but do so with deliberation. When you have the time to learn, don't strike before you are certain of your target. If you don't, make a decision and pray its the right one.

    Uncertainty, risk, actions with the best of intentions twisted into monstrous genocide, those are some delicious spices that most fictions don't bother with.

    Subvert tropes, subvert expectations, troll the readers and become great, glorious, a true author of the people, a troll amongst men.
     
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    The problem with that is you first have to be a competent writer, aka a good writer, of which there aren't many of those still left around. Subverting stuff for the sake of subverting stuff is always a bad thing. It must have a reason behind, like a psychological impact for the audience. An example being Vader being Luke's father.
     
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    Who would've thought at the time you were still guessing too soon.
     
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    Disagree. Subversion of expectation is the only way you can surprise readers and it does not have to be some grand event with a massive impact. The enemy winning against the odds? That subverts reader expectations.

    Without it stories become utterly predictable. I can usually read the first two pages of a story and guess the final plot, because most of the time they just dip into the common tropes bank.

    Like "all priests are evil" or "religion bad" or "everything is really gray, so everything I do is justified due to bad reasoning". Yawn. Give me the nuances, the colors, the black and the white, the criminal who kills because he is a sadist and never learned to control his impulses, the thief who steals out of greed, the thief who steals out of need, the stories where the hero has real victories because he suffers real defeats, has flashes of insight and flashes of folly.

    As for authors being horrible at it, so what? No one starts out being good at writing, you have to learn how. 10.000 hours to master a craft
     
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