Evolutions have both rank and tier

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    Know This! Your spell Akaton Evolution has evolved your Saproling into a Whip Vine Elemental, a rank 2, Uncommon Evolution. This is 1 of 4 possible evolutions. Max Tier of evolution for this creature is Tier 1. There are 3 other known evolutions: Thorn Saproling: (common rank), Hardwood Saproling: (common rank), White Arborast (unusual rank)

    Kong, Aleron. The Land: Monsters: A LitRPG Saga (Chaos Seeds Book 8) . Tamori Publications, LLC. Kindle Edition.

    So basically Richters Saproling evolves into a stronger creature with a higher Rank, but this creature is still considered tier 1. It is also considered a rank 2 uncommon creature.

    This likely explains a lot. For instance, Humans are likely considered a rank 1 creature, thereas dwarves, elves, etc. are naturally rank 2. True Meidon are likely Rank 3.
     
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    I don't know about that. I don't see why sentient species would need to have ranks just because monsters and beasts do. That sort of concept seems like it would lead to some serious racism.
     
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    I bet there already is. When he brought up kobolds to a hunter they asked when they were going to kill them, the sprites kill outsiders on site, vampires view humans as food, etc. Not a perfect example of racism in our world which is based on bigotry vs their world were there there are actual very easily defined differences. Granted just because some races may get more strength or more agility, different rates of affinities, etc. Doesnt flat out make any race better or worse. Everyone also has free will so not every goblin has to be evil so Richter not caring about killing goblin children would still be morally repugnant.

    I am rambling a bit sorry about that, but celestial tier 1 beings on a stat basis on paper would be a higher class of being. It would not be racist to say so, but it would be racist to say that makes them morally better. Bringing real world racism into LitRPG would not be a great fit when talking stats thankfully.

    As long as he doesnt make moral judgements based on immutable traits, and he doesn't make sentient beings of the same race with different skin colors (or other immutable characteristics) different ranks (showing his own prejudice), I think we don't need to project our problems into our fantasy escape from reality.
     
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    Yeah so Aleron has a lot of racism in his books. Its one of the core elements in his world.

    But in this case, higher rank does not necesarily mean better rather it seems to me that higher ranks mean greater specialisation. Humans have greater versatility, thereas mountain dwarves, wood sprites, high elves and other rank 2 races are basically pidgeon holed into specific builds. Sure, a mountain dwarf could go for a mage build, but that means he has 3 points to invest in stats that actually matter , thereas a human has four giving the human a 33% increase over the dwarf. Of course once you hit level 30 or so you start to need to balance your build or risk going too far in one direction and so the dwarf mage starts catching up, but given that most people are below level 10 thats useless. A level 20 human mage has a serious advantage over his dwarven counterpart. At level 30 he can wipe the floor with the dwarfs beard while he hangs helpless in the air mugglestyle.

    The mountain dwarves are also pidgeon holed skillwise, having stronger affinities for some things but far weaker for others. Dwarves with life or air magic for instance, are very rare. Humans on the other hand are given an even chance at having most skills and those skills are gennerally stronger.

    Of course the biggest advantage to being human is their low ascension cap. Becoming tier 2 early is a major advantage. Increased lifespan, 20% decreased damage and spell strength from your former foes, 20% increased damage and spell strength against them in addition to the extra stats and other bonuses you get as part of your tier evolution.
     
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    I actually think the rank system makes things a lot fairer. So far it seemed that Richter and other chaos seeds were simply better, p2w players destined to roll right over the natives a decade down the road because they get so much more per level. Considering all that has been said about the villagers as a whole evolving and the influence of higher powers, it seems to me that advantage has shifted and things are more even.

    The sprites unlocking the True Meidon rankup may just be an appetizer.
     
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    Celestial meidon forest rangers are gonna be op in wooded environments
     
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    Yes I expect they will be. Just as chaotic humans are pretty OP compared to other races.

    If things go as I hope, rankups won't just affect future levels but past ones as well. Though that may be a smidge overpowered. It would mean Sion and others getting a massive windfall in one go. Closing the gap to Richter.

    Celestial HM would be insane.
     
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    Celestial Pixies receive two points to distribute per level, and each level gives + 3 to Dexterity, + 1 to Agility and + 1 to Intelligence. Celestial Pixies receive a racial boost to movement speed.

    Kong, Aleron. The Land: Swarm: A LitRPG Saga (Chaos Seeds Book 5) (Kindle Locations 7148-7150). Kindle Edition.

    Of course a celestial pixie is basically just a better race. All they need is pile on speed and their warform. Spiked bullets with wings.
     
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    Imagine getting smacked in the face by it going at its max speed and its razorblade wings/ thorns turning your face and eyes into a bloody wreck while you are busy fighting a sprite = you can't get the pixie away without uncovering yourself to the sprite.

    Mastermage trying to cast a highlevel spell and needing concentration takes pixie to the face. Harrasment is a valid tactic, a level 20 pixie keeping a level 50 mage from casting is a great use of resources. Every time he tries to cast its time for another dive.
     
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