Growing the Dungeon

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  1. Mister Bill

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    There might be some there.
    Just FYI, Aleron is doing an AMA on his discord server tomorrow, I think.
     
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    Well that will be interesting. Hopefully he will remember to make a video this time :)
     
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    And she was a socialist my friend.

    Although being a member of the early American socialist party she would have voted along the lines as a Democrat if she didnt have a socialist candidate. Many Democrats held her ideals high then and some of them do even today.

    I hope you read the other article that listed many examples of the previous topics. You had no comment in regards to it.
     
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    I love the “For the Record part”!

    Absolutely everyone has prejudice. Even Characters if they could be questioned would all show prejudice.

    I totally believe that Yves had previously been a racially tolerant country. That’s what we have been shown in the story. Especially if you consider Yves being a human ran country. Randy has already out lived two generations of humans. As we know at least his whole life it had been a “free society” until his nephews rise to power. That being said Not being told anything differently of the Randy’s Grandfather we should assume it had all been the status quo for sometime.

    You make mention of Randy’s non human side not being able to inherit the thrown. I don’t think that was the issue either. I don’t know of any King who would take in his bastard son to raise and allow him to take the thrown. My simple understanding is that the eldest son of the Kings Legitimate wife aka the Queen would take the thrown. We don’t really know anything of the situation as it hasn’t been told besides the fact that the King was out witted by the Dungeon itself. In our world that would be like a paranormal birth of a mystical beast giving birth to a human looking child. I would think if the King already had children or a wife in Normal circumstances that any other child born would be out. Forcing any and all other children to take oaths of loyalty and follow succession would be normal. Randy not being born by the Kings wife would be completely excluded. That doesn’t make any of them Racist towards Randy’s Undine half or any other non human. If anything such oaths might make them pragmatic. That would help prevent their own offspring from killing each other off to gain power.
     
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    Well the conquest specialization was chosen a thousand years earlier. That's many generations unless you are off an extremely long-lived race. Its plenty of time for Yves to have spent centuries expanding, only to eventually have a change of heart and turn inwards, building up the interior.

    I don't think being half Undine would have been a good thing, but its possible it wouldn't have invalidated Randy's claim on the throne.

    Randy being a bastard would invalidate him in most monarchies, unless he was the last living eligible heir. Meaning the only living royal the nobles are willing to accept on the throne, on account of the others being too insane, too stupid or too unpredictable.

    Unless Yves is an absolute monarchy, the dukes and the other high nobility should be the ones deciding whether to confirm the old kings pick or someone else from the royal family. The king is but first amongst equals. Not sure Aleron did his homework on that front though.

    I would also require oaths designed to prevent family infighting of any sort. Its one of the great drawbacks of monarchies. Removing the ability to fight over the throne or a powerful dukedom would stabilize the kingdom immensely.
     
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    One of the guys there said he’d record and post it.
     
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    Once again I am advocating for extending construction works out of the Dungeon.

    Ricther should have pylons made by the dungeon placed twenty foot or so from the edge of the blue sands. Those pylons should be laid out so that the bat roost could be built over them. That way after the bats (hopefully vampire bats) return to the roost with their prey the dead carcasses would be dropped into the sands.
     
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    It’s a neat idea but you’d have to make it there without falling in the sands (maybe the locals will be protected from the sands) and accept losses from bats that fall, like babies might have happen. Plus other fallout. Better to just chuck the carcasses in.
     
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    Do you think if the dungeon could spawn vampire bats that they would get some type of synergy. It just seems like they might because of the bloodlust.
     
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    I figure that there's a high/er chance of the Dungeon having some of it's Beasts Evolving into Blood or/& Chaos Mana Affinity Creatures due to them being it's main Mana Powers, as well as of course other Mana Affinity Beasts that it has Awoken of course. So things like Vampire Bats are highly likely once it gets Bats.
     
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    Sounds like a high ranking species. These would likely be rare on the first few levels?
     
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    Like non existent on first few levels. Those kinds of powers are just ganking. Powerful basic element Mage? Hope you can layer your shield spell like a PoP master Hisako other wise deeper and higher cut right through
     
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    It does? I thought you needed to be layering attacks with the exact same magic type to penetrate. Otherwise you need to bring the shields hp to zero.

    I don't think a vampire bat with a few blood magic tricks would necessarily be massively OP compared to a balanced adventurer party.

    The first few levels could just be them being able to absorb freely flowing blood to fuel powerful regen, in addition to their regular attacks. Technically using the blood power, but not for much.
     
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    Similar to how D&D Prismatic Wall Spell has to be destroyed layer by layer in a Certain Order of certain Spells, seven layers in total.
     
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    No way Mr Bill.

    My point was to use the Dungeon to erect pylons. Roswan could either use the Bat roost they have or make another bat roost using the first one for an example. Either way Roswan could use the Dungeon workers to erect the structure. I know being out of the Dungeon they don’t last as long but being in the sands should help some.

    Whatever type of bat that inhabits the structure would hint the surrounding area. Anything they drop would feed into the dungeon even their waste. Who cares if a baby falls into the dungeon? That would also give the dungeon a chance to learn how to make a bat. In my mind that’s just another positive outcome.

    That also leads to my other point. We had been told that the magic of the Dungeon could change things by effecting them with its magic. So the Dungeon could possibly give any of its creatures a blood lust. Actually I think all of the Dungeons creatures should have a penchant for blood. If a leach were dropped in the well of offering the Dungeon would learn everything about it. At that point the Dungeon would know how to produce hirudin. That is an enzyme that causes vascular dilation thus making blood flow more freely. At that point the Dungeon could possibly give that same ability to anything else In the Dungeon. In the same note a fruit tree growing in a dungeon orchard might cause the same effect for the duration of the fruit being digested.

    We should definitely see expressions of the Dungeons magic in its creatures. That’s not saying every creature will wield the dungeons higher level magic like a wizard. I do agree with DRAG on blood regeneration. Although I would take it a step farther in that many of the dungeons beast/creatures should have some form of blood regeneration. They should all have some form of blood lust. Either a blood furry or some sort of attraction to the scent of blood.

    Chaos magic has me somewhat perplexed. I can only imagine some sort of high hit point flying Mechanoid very moderate size transforming every time it’s hit. Without seeing some form of Chaotic transformation how else would one recognize the use of chaotic magic?
     
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    I like that idea a lot.
     
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    If they’re hard to get bats then they’d care that they’re losing ‘em.
     
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    If the dungeon hasn’t managed to awaken death magic yet, richter could recover the nearly destroyed sarcophagus and dump it down the well of offering. That thing has got to be worth some serious points. It doesn’t seam to me that he will have any other use for it, and just leaving it out there seems like a disaster waiting to happen.
     
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    No, no, no!!!! NO!

    we use the sarcophagus to build a mausoleum to raise beyans undead familian, with bones from the hells pawned mauler and eyes of the Litch.
    An we alse raise the undead Nien. lvl 76 focused profession fighter. Also we raise them using double casting, rings of summoning level +5, potions...
    potions that are made from read death, like the living death that escaped dead bodies that we restrict with life root.
    And after the familiar with Nien will sleep in the coffin for say 2 weeks, maybe we get lucky and they get some powers then we dismantle the mausoleum and sack the coffin.

    Why destroy stuff that we could use... use it first sack it later.

    On the unrelated note it could be a super valuable trade good with the Vamps. Which we could steal later on hehe..
     
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    Yes because cutting off most of his villagers from their magic sounds like a smashing plan. Did you forget that little bit? Most of his villagers are life and air mages.
     
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