How to level the Smithy

Discussion in 'Debates & Discussions' started by Johan, Apr 6, 2020.

  1. Waterhobit

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    If France had devolved to the same level that the Kobolds have, after 100+years, I bet the great grandchildren would have welcomed a return to the order and unification of a French monarch.
     
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    They didn't have to wait that long. Napoleon became emperor. Napoleon's life is fascinating and really doesn't get enough focus in American education or culture. He set up the Holy Roman Empire to form Germany (through reorganization for easier management of his conquest) screwing them ever since. Also, fun fact he wasn't actually short. Straight British propaganda. Very well done propaganda.
     
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    I think castes in this case refer to a caste system such as the one they have in india, except less vile, with less hatred for those below you.
     
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    Yep, also Napoleon wasn't actually French, he was Corsican, although he always said that he "was more more Italian or Tuscan than Corsican".
     
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    They did return to monarchy for a while. Not that much difference when it comes down to it, I mean sure we get to sign a piece of paper, but what really matters is whether the ruled accept the ruler(s), meaning the legitimacy of the system, as well as whether that system is reasonably fair (no political system is ever truly fair). That is just as true for democracy as it is for monarchy.
     
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    The Law is rarely truly about Justice, it's about the Law.
     
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    The Law is about order, predictability, fairness, and preventing blood feuds.

    Justice is the enforcement of law.

    Revenge is the enforcement of grudges regardless of law.

    Probably simplifying too much, 10 hours of database crafting has filled my head with wool :)
     
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    Justice in the Law is to be strived for in any place that wishes for a fair society, but isn't the true heart of they Law.
     
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    Justice is associated with morality. So what the culture deems moral being upheld. Law and law enforcement is rule following. There are many examples of unjust laws.
     
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    Well i can assure you India would not want the ruling caste "raj caste" that the Muslims made themselves during their 2 invasions. But I dont really see much difference between the European caste system vs Indian caste system (and others), and unfortunately as was pointed out, there are too many significant genetic differences if they are true. Are goblins the same way? and are there any goodly races that have a similar thing?
     
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    1)
    The indian caste system is a fundamental part of Hinduism as well as deeply anchored in Indian culture. (and nepalese, as well as a few other south east asian cultures).

    While it does have some very superficial similarities to the western concept of the three classes, those never had the same religious and social weight as the castesystem did nor were they a tenth as rigid, any peasantborn could move up though it rarely happened. Meanwhile the caste system still exists in a weakened form in modern India, where being casteless means you are treated like shit in many places, forced to do dirty and dangerous work while carrying the odor of crimes from past lives (only criminals and scum are born as casteless which justifies their treatment. Fortunately there is a way out, being reborn into a higher caste. Assuming rebirth is a real thing :) . And yes I'm intolerant enough to be revolted by certain aspects of the caste system, cultural relativism is an excuse to avoid challenging things we know are wrong. Fortunately many Indians have moved past it-).

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    As for the goblins having a caste society, it depends on where Aleron goes. I can see 3 possibilities right now but they are likely endless.

    Goblins are often portrayed as "evolving" into stronger versions of themselves, perhaps they have some form of partial evolution ability, allowing them to move from scouts -> fighters ->?? ->... ??... --> full goblin with the potential to tier evolve into a T2 hobgoblin?

    Or scouts and fighters are simply younglings, children that have yet to grow into their full adult size, hence they are smaller and weaker. The ones that survive are brutalized into being mean little fuckers just like their parents, probably helped on by them naturally having strong sadistic tendencies (things that they might learn to control if given the chance) and the knowledge that their lives are worth spit unless they gather sufficient power in some form to protect themselves from any other goblin, find a patron or stay as far away from other goblins as possible.

    Or they have been bred into having castes which they will stay in for their entire lives, unless they manage to evolve. While this is likely the case, it seems unreasonable to me that a race so disorganized could maintain the societal cohesion needed to breed weaker subraces without killing them all off.


    As for good caste races, I don't think so. Its too rigid a system and too unfair as well.
     
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    Could be luck of the genetic draw?
     
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    Might have to spin off another thread for how caste and genetic variations are passed down in either society.
     
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    As in, luck is the determining factor for which caste you are born into? Possible, it seems more like an insect thing, but it could be.
     
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    If probably a combination of being more likely to be born (hatched) into a Caste of your parents, some random chance of being born above or below parents Caste and a chance of SideWays Evolution up a Caste, the latter probably being the least likely.
     
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    Even if it was a genetic thing I think the luck stat would come into play if you had parents from different castes. Not sure how often different castes mate so.... Star crossed lover, or less consensual from raiding parties.
     
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    ya know @ShoughtLoud , although spamming the lower level stratum for low cost stuff. but level 4 has the schematic. It is also half as much as 5th level of the stratum, though still expensive.
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    Based an the avg vales and cost of dive versus a single dive of a 5th Stratum dive and purchase.
    1. st Stratum, avg 3.6+1 pt per dive = 28 purchases
    2. nd Stratum, avg 13.3+3 pt per dive = 8 purchases
    3. rd Stratum, avg 22.8+5 pt per dive = 4 purchases
    4. th Stratum, avg 55.6+7 pt per dive = 2 purchases
    5. th Stratum, avg 123.0+9 pt per dive = 1 purchase
    though it is fair to say that other lower stratums can also have schematics or just the weapons too
     
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  18. Commander Azure

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    Where are you getting those point values? Are those the average prices? And how do you know how many uses that is? What are you basing that on?
     
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    those are averages. The uses are based on how many you could get instead of a 5th stratum pick.
     
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    Then again there was a sweet blade at the fist level. If Richter could learn the enchantment of the chaotic dagger...that would be super effective.
     
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