Kobold trade

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  1. Dragon

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    Richter has access to a large, untapped market in desperate need of basically anything the village can produce.

    In return the kobolds have crystal, gold, silver, bronze, as well as other ores and possibly coal. They should also be able to provide a wide assortment of potion ingredients from the tunnels, and maybe even mercenary mages. That level 35 combat mage with 6300 mana was a beast. A dozen of those would be a nice addition to Richter's forces.

    Trading with the kobolds would also give them the means to push the ashstalkers back out of the tunnels, while strengthening relations between the kobolds and the village.

    Of course all of this depends on whether the egg and Richter's mark are enough to convince the kobolds to talk instead of trying to capture the murdering robber that raided one of their clans.
     
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    As long as the kobold clan(s) under the MV hate the clan that had the Khan egg, then they probably don't care about Richtær going in an messing them up.
     
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    It is untapped in a similar way the HT is untapped I suppose. The kobolds might trade with the other clans, dwarves, goblins, drow, orcs, orges, gnomes, etc. Since they are on a war footing with nearly all neighbors you might be correct. They need a nuetral party to trade with (oops, stole your baby khan). Sprites are already an untapped market too. It doesn't seem like they did much trading with the elves and dwarves and others in the area. MV could become the Nexus and neutral party to a lot of small and medium settlements.
     
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    The MV would be trading away war resources that may or may not be traded again to possible enemies. It might be better to trade to those he can trust more. Until he can trust the kobolds which might be soon with the eggs it might be better to give them access to the second entrance of the Dungeon on exchange for resources. Plus he gets to tax their loot and he can put a limit on drops that are dangerous to be replaced with coins.
     
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    Would they trade war materials to the enemy while they are being invaded? Seems unlikely.

    As I see it, there are four possible outcomes of the underground three-way war:
    1) The kobolds could win and turn towards the village as their next goal.
    2) The kobolds could win and return to a neutral stance in regards to the village.
    3) The kobolds could win and start building a relationship with the village.
    4) The goblins or the eaters could win, in either case they would undoubtedly remain a major threat to the forest, except now the factions stopping them from rampaging through the northern forest is gone.

    Richter trading war materials to the kobolds would make little difference to his relationship with the goblins and the eaters seem like monsters, they likely cannot be reasoned with. It would however have an impact on the kobolds ability to defend themselves and start pushing back, which should help repair their relationship making option number 2 or 3 more likely. At the same time it would fill Richter's coffers with gold and silver nuggets from the kobold mines, and secure a supplier of raw materials.

    There are some risks of course, but no strategy is without risk. What is almost certain is that inaction will not lead to a desirable outcome. Betting on the kobolds is the path with the greatest chance of success.
     
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    Those markets exist as well. But the kobolds seem to have a lot of resources and population, but little manufacturing capability of their own. They also have a desperate need for war materials if they are to stop the incursions into their lands, thereas the sprites have their own suppliers, at least for the basics.
     
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    MV doesn't have excess supply to trade. It is all going toward their own war efforts. Not enough herbs, not enough potions, not enough enchanted blades, not enough warriors. And HT is getting all the extra enchanted swords already via the trade treaty. A whole dwarven clan would need to come to the MV in order to outpace demand. As for the herbs, hopefully the pixies and sprites can help. For the potions...there is not much more that can be done.

    A resource that could be provided to the kobolds is timber. Richtær should probably heavily research and/or upgrade logging and logging camp to get the most out of magic trees. No need to waste it and not "serve the forest", sprites wouldn't like that.
     
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    Wood underground would likely be highly valuable as well.
     
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    The mist village is behind their need for potions because those are single-use items, they burn through their stock during each of the major battles.

    They have sufficient weaponry for the forseeable future, the village army has been armed since well before the battle with the goblins, and I imagine that a good chunk of whatever militia they could raise in case of invasion also has something. The HT gets 10 blades a month, thats not a major drain on the village production. I'm not saying they can deliver hundreds of weapons to the kobolds in the immediate future, but a small steady stream of weapons and gear is better than nothing. As long as the kobolds provide raw materials for the forge as payment, along with gold, I do not think it will slow down the process of arming the village by all that much.

    At some point they are also going to replace older gear with better versions from the forge, that older gear should still be superior to what the kobolds are using. As are HT forged wooden blades.

    The sprites would likely have a problem if Richter starts cutting down entire groves willy nilly. If he manages the woodlands right, cutting down some of the trees is a good thing, it makes for a healthier forest. Timber would be a great resource to sell to the kobolds, maybe a few sprite woodworkers/ singers could turn some of it into sprite weapons. They won't like that, but if they want to win some sacrifices must be made.
     
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    So treat the kobolds like a colony. They provide the raw materials for cheap then you sell them back the finished goods at a huge profit with some finished goods left over for yourself? I wonder if Richter likes tea? :)
     
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    It takes a week to make a weapon, so that production is low, each Smith can make 4? A month. And these weapons are the force multipliers that Richtær is counting on. As such the weapons that matter are the heaviest enchanted ones. He might have enough lightly enchanted plus heavily Enchanted weapons for everyone now, but even the enchanted ones are mostly from poor/basic soul enchants. 10 blades a month would remove 2.5 Smith's from the equation. You are right though as they continue to make new blades with better enchantment, the old ones can and should be sold off; But replacement is at a rate of one to one, with better arms made. I also think the non-fighters should have blades as well though. (Heck the whole village should have a rank in some Martial arts)

    Good point on the forest. It will need to be manicured like a giant garden or defensive structure/landscape as well.
     
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    We have seen a few examples of trees being able to defend themselves. I wonder if the pixies could help set up an enchanted forest in certain areas for defensive purposes.

    I also agree everyone should be armed. The land is a dangerous place. Once they are then excess can be sold off. After a nice stock pile has been built up.
     
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    Is not Kobold a bigger Goblin?
    Also you meant 630 mana right? Otherwise we will need a quote hehe

    Kobolds had an empire back in the day.. reunification wars of kobolds would take a t least 5 books for Richter I have a feeling its coming..
     
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    No kobolds are reptilians that are descended from dragons, they are not part of the goblinoid family (orcs, goblins, bugbears, hobgoblins, just to mention a few of the more wellknown). He has 6300 mana.

    Name: Yi’Asan. Kobold Level 35. Health 280. Mana 6300. Stamina 190. Disposition: Enmity… Profession: Mage. Specialization: Battle Mage.

    Kong, Aleron. The Land: Alliances: A LitRPG Saga (Chaos Seeds Book 3) (p. 457). Kindle Edition.

    I imagine its a combination of investing nearly all his talent points into maxing out a manaboosting talent (for 10X), and having 63 intelligence/ 630 mana. It gives him a massive pool, but he might not have much regen - not that he would need it for quite a while, and with manapotions he would only need a relatively short break to recharge - nor many talents enhancing his spells.

    Or it is an error-
     
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    The specific variety of kobold in this series also has the dog like mouth. Not relevant to the discussion...but interesting seeing as each author has a different style. The kobolds with the drow where driss grew up are like little furballs.
     
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    If he had slow regeneration but high mana pool it would make sense for channeled spells that can increase rank but drain faster and faster. That would allow for a glass cannon type build with one major attack but once the spell is used the enemy better be dead or you are screwed.
     
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    He probably had at least some Mana Amount Boosting Items as well.
     
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    He seems to have largely gone for the D&D Kobolds as a species template for his Kobolds (bipedal slightly dog like reptiles people), although with some variations for the different Castes. Furry Dog like Kobolds are more of a Eastern design.
     
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    Find a dungeon within kobold empire, find nodes, do trade using our dungeon noxe or portal.

    We can sell crystal.. have too much of it.. also stone mugs.. could be engraved with monkeys..
     
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    I don't think a treaty with the Kobold would involve trade in the same way that a treaty with the HT or the Dwarves might. Richter would bring culture and better equipment and technology and in trade the Kobolds would renew their efforts to defeat the eaters, and possibly help against other enemies of the MV. Also, I'm sure the Kobolds have various spells, skills, and recipes that Richter might be interested in learning. Finally, the lizards could farm his dungeon, allowing Richter to passively collect its tax through the dungeon Treasure Vault.
     




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