The Imp's Quest

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  1. Dragon

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    No, but if that person uses their mana to curse you through something of yours, that should forge a bond either between the two of you or you and the object used to curse you

    If pissing on someone was enough to mark them, that would OP as f**k.
     
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    Pissing on them at the very least has to hit them with a major moral and charisma debuff.
     
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    Charisma maybe, morale could go either way. That kind of humilation can really get people going.
     
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    Ha I knew someone would bring that up as I was writing it.
     
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    If the intent of the genetic material is to mark someone, it would be okay. Lots of stories have someone marking another and being able to track/curse them by having it on/in the person. Maybe Richtær can track his water table flow by scrying for his urine.
     
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    Maybe you can curse someone by gathering skinflakes with a spell :)

    I never said said you can track any and all biological fragments of a person, so thats on you to prove or disprove that. I said you may be able to track/ curse/ attack someone by forging a sympathetic connection using blood, hair, bone, piss or other things from that person's body. Its an established branch of magic in numerous other fictions as well as having origins in real world traditions, so I see no reason it wouldn't work in the land as every other conceivable form of magic works. Nor that once such a connection is created it wouldn't go both ways.
     
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    Agree on the luck, but then AK can't do math in regards to said luck to save his life. As he promptly proved when talking about how the percentage increases to his luck would raise/lower the stat.
    Disagree in regard to the imp-piss. He would have to carry the glass the entire time until he created the new bag of holding, that simply wouldn't have worked. Especially given that it seemed to be some kind of acid, you don't wan't to splash something like that on your hand. The glass itself may or may not be useful, depending on how dangerous the piss is. If you burn your hand by touching the spillovers, Richter has no equipment to clean it up except for his rags. He may have tried at least, but a broken glass shard isn't all that useful to be honest. Way too easy to cut yourself.
     
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    I think the quest is gonna fck with Ritcher. I think achieving it physically won't be so demanding. But I think that he'll gain reputation with the orcs and stealing the wand will be a betrayal, with some other consequences. He finally has a town hall, can you get negative diplomacy points? The orcs, instead of being an ally against the goblins, could become a goblin ally.
     
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    You can get negative points. I think he is still negative with the trolls.
     
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    I thought that was negative relationship points not negative diplo points.
     
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    I was assuming they mention settlement relationship points. Otherwise negative diplomacy points would I suppose be the other group gaining points instead of your group.
     
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    I don't think diplo points are a zero sum game. You can gain diplo points without someone else losing them.
     
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    I think HM used diplo points on Richter. Diplomacy is all about give and take, so it figures both sides have a count. Though a big faction like the HT may get more points from sending their army to protect a small faction like the mist village, thereas the mist village army marching out in support of the HT likely would not be considered as valuable a service to the HT.
     
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    It's wasn't an army to protect a small faction, it was her escort force for HM and sprites getting to their pixies. Recall she had a large hit squad waiting for her last time she went out.
     
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    That last part was not a reference to anything specific, it was simply speculation that a bigger faction would likely have a big brother- little brother relationship with smaller factions, where the big brother's actions generally count for more in terms of diplo points as they have greater impact.

    The sprites sending 100 -150 soldiers, a fragment of their army, to help the mist village during the final battle with the lich, would effectively double the fighting force protecting the village. On the other hand if the sprites were to receive 100-150 soldiers as reinforcements (basically the entire mist army) in a future battle for the HT it simply won't make as much of a difference when armies counted by the thousands clash together. Both acts are sure to be appreaciated, but one basically saves the day and the other is a show of loyalty.
     
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    With what we have seen in the land so far there might be a few modifiers. E.g. Base 100 diplo points for supporting a call to arms. -50% for relative size of force compared to HT much large troop total. +100% due to sending 100% of your forces. +30% due to sending your leader and your leader risking their life for your ally.
     
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    I hadn't thought about it, but you would be able to use diplomacy points on another settlement, even thought you did not receive them from said settlement. Weird, unless there is a table with points associated with each relationship.

    I would like for diplomacy points to be specifically rewarded by a representative of a settlement to another. Like the trolls would have to select a certain amount on their interface to send to the MV. A notification to the leader would also be nice that the points were sent. But should a leader be notified if the diplomacy points are spent? Yes, I think so. Espionage Points no.

    It is also too bad he lost so many diplomacy points already. But can diplomacy points be used on a settlement without a settlement center? Also what happens to those points? Are the given to the receiving settlement or just vanish.
     
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    I'm pretty sure they are between 2 settlements. Basically a counter for favors, deals, calls on alliances, etc. So in a way they are awarded by the other faction.

    I think of it as a mix of goodwill and obligation, you are not forced by them, but its going to hurt your relationship if you do not listen to reasonable requests.
     
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    I would assume diplomacy points are spent and thus vanish. I would prefer diplo points to be able to come from different sources like political capital on the world stage with different efficacy based on settlement relationship.

    A world power with tons of diplomatic points from various sources uses them to strong arm another faction and can but in the eyes of other nations without taking a political hit because of diplomacy points but can't do so indefinitely.
     
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    I agree diplomatic points are spent and vanish. I do not think they come from different sources. This quote seems to imply they are settlement specific, as in they can be used on a particular settlement to get treaties signed, solicit favors, call them to arms and other things. You can probably do those things without having diplomatic points as people can still be convinced the old fashioned way, but it will be harder.

    + 10 Diplomatic Points per day with settlements which have Friendly or better relationships with your settlement (Max: 500)

    Kong, Aleron. The Land: Predators: A LitRPG Saga (Chaos Seeds Book 7) (Kindle Locations 21836-21838). Tamori Publications, LLC. Kindle Edition.


    Assuming the other powers on the world stage would care about the political beatdown of faraway countries I could see diplomatic points being useful. I doubt that is the case with a few exceptions and those that do care probably have more than enough on their plate trying to stop casual abuses of the populace in their vicinity in places they can actually project military and economic force into. Being threatened by a heroic paladin 10.000 miles away on another continent through scribe communication won't cause anyone to change their behavior.

    Reputation wise I think there would be more countries that find said conduct admirable and the show of strength attractive, than would feel offended by it. Most probably wouldn't care at all.

    Races such as the goblins, the gnolls, the druegar, the trolls and countless other evil races would see it as them putting the weak in their place. Its what they would do if they were in a position of power.

    Dwarves, elves, sprites and many other good races are isolationist, its how they've survived through the ages. They probably either won't or cannot afford to care what happens beyond their own borders, the sprites certainly care very little what happens beyond the borders of the HT and nothing about the world outside the forest, apart from fearing and hating the humans in Yves, as well as the goblin tribes in the swamps and in the firetip mountains. Even if they learned of abuses in faraway lands and decided to start caring, there would be absolutely nothing they could do about it.
     
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