The Imp's Quest

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  1. Waterhobit

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    Or instead of calling for an arbiter, Xuetrix could accept Richter's proposal and receive the wand, now enhanced with a soul-binding enchantment, and collect the massive amount of XP that Richter is willingly forfeiting. It's a Win-Win for the imp.
     
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    Depends on what the imp wants. If he wants Richter's soul, no way does he go for a deal that sets Richter free. If he does want the wand, maybe he goes for it.
     
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    With Alma's current rate of XP given to Richtær while he does nothing, how long would it take Richtær to get back to level 10 or 20?

    "You have been awarded 44,468 experience (base 508,216 x 0.07 x 1.25) from Brain Drain against Level 26 Ankheg." Bk8 epilogue

    It would be about that much.
     
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  4. Johan

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    Gaining back the skill levels could be okay. For those that think he spreads his skills to far, this would give the opportunity to focus. The only problem is if his Enchantment profession is disabled due to the skill level being less than 45.
     
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    IIRC, it's 1,000 xp to level two, then 2k to level three and so on until ten where it starts upping the ante. Assuming his level requirements don't change if he regresses to level 1, another one of those Ankheg plus 532 more xp would rocket him right back to level 10. Here's a screen grab from some quick and dirty excel calcs.

    alma kills.JPG

    Assuming her kills are all in the 45k Exp range, she only needs to kill about 22 things total to rocket him back to 30.

    Again, assuming the leveling requirements don't change, and that he doesn't need to pay off a significant deficit still.
     
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    The levels will not be the problem...its the skills. He has gotten major boosts from the 2 core buildings and if I recall right from the quickening. Obviously the biggest hit would be the enchanting. Also would he still get the 25% toward the next skill per level?

    OMG...I just thought about the points per level Richter now gets as a Chaos lord. Just getting back to lvl 30 would be 3000 Chaos points. Enough to let him go to 3rd rank. Also 15 attributes pts per level and 45 tp's...This would be just way to OP.
     
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    When he died and lost a level in the archery skill that took him from 10 - 9 he didn't loose the ability to recover some of the magic arrows he used. That implies the abilities unlocked form leveling skills are independent of maintaining the skill level, so he might keep his profession and talents
     
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    Abilities get locked into the Soul and so can't normally be lost, although they can potentially be Stolen.
     
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    If he does keep his tier two body, there's no way he keeps tier 1 leveling requirements.
    Getting to 46 should have initially cost him ~210,000 exp but then he hit the wall. If we take the rough estimate of 5 times the exp per level for tier two beings, the same kills only get him to 17. Nearly 108 to get him along to 30.

    Not that it isn't still broken, but I'd also like to point out that the ankheg will have been a somewhat special case of a monster growing much faster than the other monsters around it, so 45k is likely a bad assumption to start out with
     
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    So he should lose the first 360 Chaos points as he has already earned that many from leveling. This would be paying back a debt essentially.
    Same thing goes for TP's. I can't tell you how many he has earned through leveling, but they should have to be paid back before getting new TP's from leveling.
    Finally, his Atributes should probably be reset to baseline, although he might possibly retain points earned through exertion such as endurance points earned from running. This would still leave him with better stats at level 30 than he currently has. Keeping a similar balance of stats to what he currently has his new stats at 30 without gear could look something like:

    Strength - 74
    Agility - 54
    Dexterity - 54
    Constitution - 82
    Endurance - 60
    Intelligence - 80
    Wisdom - 54
    Charisma - 55
    Luck - 70
     
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    Well that Ankheg is just a low level monster Alma killed on her own. With a little help she could take much more.

    I like that a tier 2 body would have increased leveling requirements, but the wall would no longer be there. If he came back to his village as level 1 during a war, he could funnel lots of kill XP from War Leader talent to himself. He still would have his Rank in the skill of not skill level.
     
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    Right, at a minimum there has to be balance. No free rides, no just deserts, no almost free tripled stat gain from some crazy loop hole bs.

    I do think he would retain tier 2, (a tier 1 body soul mind etc can't contain more than so much power, but no reason the tier 2 versions couldn't necessarily work with/ at a deficit) but the penalty for going back to level 1 like that needs to be severe.
     
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    As long as he keeps the skill ranks and profession/specialty, and similar (war badges, combat expertise skills), it would be okay.

    I would even be okay with him not getting additional Kaos Points too.
     
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    It seems in order to activate this fresh start "loophole" one would need to enter into a contract with a demon after going through all the work and hardship of racing a threshold, qualifying for an evolution, and managing to pass the trial to evolve. Then fail the contract and have to work even harded to earn back the lost stat points and more than five times as hard to get back the levels he lost (kills are now worth less).

    Seems like a crazy plan that only some unknown godly benefactor would come up with if they wanted to push Richter into new stratospheres of power..

    The only real "loophole" here is the fact that richter has a powerful being who can farm huge quantities of xp for him really quickly.
     
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    Becoming super weak again would be a good oportunity for him to learn a little more caution.
     
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    Not a fan of this. I would not mind His talent points to keep flowing. At least until he gets to the level he received his profession at. Then maybe a reduced amount or none until 47.
     
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    AND we have no idea what Alma's evolving does to effect this. No question that she is even more powerful now. Brings up an interesting point though, does Alma have a threshold? If so at what level? Finally kills like the Ankeg are important but Sion should be leading a group into the dungeon and bring Alma. The loot bonuses are insane and xp farming anywhere else is wasteful of an opportunity.
     
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    Alma's evolution is tied to the pop. So no tresshold from levelling, but instead she has her own system. Village guardian beast or something like that.
     
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    I agree, in that for Alma its a different system.
    Were she not tied to Richter though, and through him the PoP, then I think it might be like Nien. To start psi-dragons would basically be beasts, but upon reaching some point of consciousness, they'd get to distribute points/ develop skills/ reach a threshold etc. Also, due to how psi-dragons gorge on exp, I would assume their threshold to be quite high. Like level 100 high, or higher.
     
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    "Penalty for failure of Quest: Loss of all of your accumulated XP"
    If one has only accumulated debt then only the debt should be transferred correct?

    Richter lvl 46 dude
    Exp: -1'652'333 EXP.

    So say Imp gets -1.6 mln of exp?
    Imp gets all Richters Skills? how does this work

    range of exp is lvl 46 [-1.6 mln ... 0 exp(lvl 1) ... 1.6 mln exp ] lvl 46
    This actually might work, because we will be losing minus exp until Richter will hit 0 exp.
    And losing all minus exp.. will not drain any of his skills. because its losing minus exp..

    Richto should really clarify this with Nexus or somebody...

    So Possibility 1:
    Imp draws all the Richtos exp which is at the moment -1,6 mln. Imp is pissed and f**d. Richto be boss @lvl 46 with 1.6 mln of exp and all skills.

    Possibility 2:
    Imp draws -1,6mln of exp, then also draws 1,6 mln of exp , so total exp gained is 0. Richto is boned, Imp is boned lol wtf... I'm great or what Drogo!(this is rethorical) In this everyone loses, so this can't happen lol.

    Possibility 3:
    Imp draws 1.6 mln of exp and skills. Richto is left with -1.6 mln exp debt as lvl 1 noob.
    Could this be a hack to lvl'up somehow quicker.. maybe like lvl up your enchanting to lvl 100 while beeing under lvl 2..

    Yeah this - exp thing is epic. AK does not know math so prob should explain this to him lol
     
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