The Land Book 9 Theories

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    Problem with Heman is that he is mentally unstable and an addict. Neither makes him stupid, but they make him entirely untrustworthy and they interfere with his ability to think things through. I agree he could have fed Richter a line of bullshit.

    As for intelligence, we haven't seen much of that in his actions. All he has shown is that he can use his abilities in a really obvious and suspicious way - Richter had all sorts of alarm bells going off on several occasions, Heman barely held his cover for the couple of days he was in the village - to forcefully gain trust and that he is stupid enough to attempt murdering a powerful lord, while ten miles inside said lords lands with no idea of the lay of the land inside or outside said area, nor any way to make a fast escape. He basically set himself up to flee into the unknown on foot with limited supplies while pursued by who knows how many men, mounted sprites and mages.

    Even if he succeeded in the assassination there was close to 100% certainty that the sprites would track him down, maybe even before he reached the border.
     
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    Ahh Johan how could you lol..


    Heman not smart:
    He killed Richto, Alma, took Ricthos shit and runned away.. (however AK decided that Rictho can't be that dumb so he created a random new abbility so that the MC would not die lol)
    So with this magical, new, random, super op ability that MC has never used before or knew he had it.. MC kills Richto..

    So if AK would not break his own rules, that MC has to die if he does stupid shit... MC would be dead 2x nkw and reborn in like 1-2 weeks from now..

    Now I'm not.sure what was the plan of mr Heman.. run into the wild?(or start his slave career in law?) Without a map? Did he have a map? Well with familoar lightning dude Heman should.survive the trip perhaps..

    Also unless the sprite dudes would run out of the forest... they would never catxh him.. MV would.only guess where and what etc.. they would.perhaps start.tp look 24-36h later.. thats enought time.to.run? Maybe not.. not sure what was the plan here.. but the killing part was perfect. Its just that AK decided to.cheat and save Richto with new random skill.
     
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    Dude Johan?` XD

    Heman would be escaping on foot through an area he does not know nor has a map of. Heman is at least a hundred miles from the outskirts of the kingdom, I think it took Richter and Sion two weeks to travel there on foot (traveling by boat is many times faster, especially if the kingdom maintains the riverways within its own borders in order to facilitate trade). Getting from the outskirts of the kingdom to the capital took a while as well.

    Meanwhile the sprites are experienced hunters and trackers, not to mention they have woodland mounts that can move rapidly through the forest. Even if he gets a 2-4 day headstart he would be hard pressed to stay ahead of them without a clear idea where he is going.

    This seems to me far from a well thought out plan, Heman's chance of escaping is tiny, even if he manages to move in one direction till he is out of the mist. Which makes sense, Heman is an addict, once the need gets bad enough they aren't really planning, they are grasping at halfbaked ideas that might give them what they want but do not account for what happens afterwards.

    I agree Richter should have either died or been saved by someone else (Alma comes to mind as someone Heman could easily have underestimated, she should also have some serious magical resistances given her high wisdom and level. I'm not even sure that lightning demon should have been able to oneshot her even from ambush). It is a bit of a cheap move.
     
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    Heman specifically said the lightning creature could not travel far from where he summoned it. That is why he told Richter all he did because he was waiting for Alma to show. His almost exact words were I did not want to travel the forest with your rat chasing me. Heman spent the majority of his time underground and that is not conducive to travelling a forest. The sprites could easily have caught him. Though I think it would have been far more likely that he would have been killed by a random monster in the forest. He is only a level 8 human and his abilities do not work on non sentients.
     
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    Yeah the plan For Heman was like WTF..
    still killing Richto, getting all his shit, killing Alma.. That would give at least 2-5 levels for Heman.
    • So he Could in theory run away in a sticky situation to the "profession trails" also Nexus would be his bestie for offing Richto.
    • 5 levels of points to increase his agility & dext..
    • maybe jump into the river on a log?! swim for say 6 hours then continue to run?
    • run to goblins?!
    • look for another gnoll tribe..
    • I believe the goblins should be around a days travel from the MV(Blood stone)
    • Gobbos would want to know what happened to the stone..
    • even the bug bear alliance would "welcome" Heman
    What would you do as Heman?
    Law- no
    gobbos-noish
    gnolls- yuck
    Bugbears-- maybe..
    trying to get some more chaos seeds?

    I believe Heman was running away because he correctly has deduced that Richto would be offed by the Litch.
    And that was another random episode where a pixie has randomly saved the MC..
     
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    Now the hiding and waiting is the answer!!! IF he could have killed Richter and Alma and no one found out it was him prior to Richter coming back he could have used his ability on the MV and they would then like Heman. Might have especially worked if Richter ended up a shade. Dude was a pathological killer/torturer but it could have worked. Now of course we would think Richter would learn from this but I bet he still runs on at the mouth.
     
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    Yeah but what's the chance they wouldn't question everyone and find a discrepancy with Heman's whereabouts (him saying he was somewhere, but no one else saw him)? They would have to suspect an enemy infiltrator of some sort killed Richter, so even if he fools the truth spell a good interrogator would at worst (well for the village) realize that no one knew where he was at the time.

    Randy is a trained spy and he would be looking into anyone who cannot account for their whereabouts at the time, backtracking and questioning people. Once he realizes that people have a tendency to allow Heman freedoms and bend the rules for his sake, despite being initially suspicious, I think all sorts of alarm bells will be going on in his head. Even without knowing his abilities, spells like charm are out there as are the enslavement potion that the demonic cauldron could make. Mind control/ bending isn't unheard off in the land, so its something rulers would have to be wary off.
     
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    Nice points...and let's face it. Is there anyone worse in the MV to have on your trail than Randy?
     
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    Herman can still come back. The mist does not work underground.
    Of course Herman may not be able to gather his army if he got the magical syphilis trap. His charisma would plummet and no one would touch him.
     
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    Well negative charisma brought about by physical deformity could have different effects on different beings. A compassionate being might not be affected the same way as others would, allowed Heman to still use his ability or find a healer.
     
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    I think that there should be a Secondary Stat for Physical Attractiveness "Comelyness", but the effects tend to be Racial Specific, meaning that their Physical Attractiveness is oriented to their Race, Goblins become Attractive by Goblin Standards, Trolls by theirs, Beholders by theirs, Humans by theirs, ect, but with Races with similar concepts of Attractiveness there is bleed over of attraction. It can and does effect Charisma depending an a Races perception of beauty, both positively and negatively, and to a degree vice versa.
     
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    I was under the impression that charisma was basically a way others viewed you so it was already changed for the eye of the beholder. But, I can't find any quotes from the books. Maybe, it was from arguments from the old forum. Seems silly to have a 100 charisma, but noone outside your race likes you.
     
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    With a 100 Charisma they will like you, just not necessarily think you are attractive. Troll with 10 Charisma & 100 Comelyness might be A mega Beauty by Troll standards but not easily likeable.
     
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    Charisma probably also has a mental dimension, altering the mind, body posture and speech patterns in subtle ways that make you more charismatic. You can be ugly as f**k and be a great speaker, though obviously being handsome and striking has its advantages, so comelyness as a secondary stat makes a lot of sense. Some charismatic people almost have an aura around them, so that could be another factor.
     
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    Yep Rando has dropper the ball a tiny bit, however the Captain of the Guard "Turrad" has not?. Or the Sargent Clauder..
    It was Richtos mistake not trusting in his gut..
     
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    Is Richter in the catacombs now? If so was the mausoleum the second level, and where he’s currently at the 3rd? If so that means when he gets back to the village he will only need to conquer/ unite the kobolds to upgrade the village.

    and at what point does it no longer qualify as a village. Is the next step town or city. If Yves is a level 5 kingdom what’s the qualifications to be considered a kingdom. Or to be considered an empire?
     
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    Maybe a level 2 village. Village is a common settlement and as such only has 2 levels. 100% of the levels are required before upgrading to the next rank, Shire.
     
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    My bet is on yes he is in the catacombs, the lands version of the underdark. Whether he is in a part of the catacombs relevant to the mist village is impossible to say, but we know the kobolds have holdings that stretch far beyond the mist and yet they are considered to live in lands Richter must conquer/ master. The lich also lived in the catacombs and was considered a threat that existed within his domain. Maybe the same way kobolds that live 30 miles away are a valid target for levelling the settlement despite being nowhere near the surface part of Richter's domain?

    Yves has grown far beyond being a single settlement, it has at least one major city, numerous towns and who knows how many villages. It is the local superpower, even if in the other places it would be consider a small, underdeveloped kingdom or a large independent duchy.

    I think Johan may be right about villages having levels before allowing you to scale up/ unlock the next tier. If so, there could be quite a while before we get to independent duchy let alone kingdom. I doubt the HT is a duchy, though the woodelves apparently have a kingdom. That may or may not be a curtesy title, rather than a universe granted title, similar to the kindir having a king.
     
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    The Catacombs are only a tiny bit of the Depths-UnderDark of The Land, it's just the Part that is under/around the (core part of the(?)) Mist Domain. There might still be a few remnant remains of the old Mist Kingdoms\Empire to be found with in it?
     
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    The kobolds live both beyond and below the surface parts of the current mist domain. We are told that to master a layer of the catacombs Richter must conquer or vassalize any one of their clans, including those beyond the ten mile radius. The only way for the kobolds to live beyond the mist domain yet within the catacombs is for the catacombs to refer to more than the tunnels below the mist village. I think it refers to at least the region covered by the old mist empire.
     
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