The Ultimate RPG Character Backstory Generator?

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  1. Paul Bellow

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  2. Paul Bellow

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    Not sure why I ended this one like a phone call lol

    Thoughts, @Yuli Ban / @TravisBach / @buehler?

     
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    Some quick samples...

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    It's pretty wild how good this is. I need to write faster so I can have a career before AIs are writing all the books.
     
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    Haha. I think we have 5 to 10 years (maybe) if the world doesn't collapse first. It's happened before...

    I'm working into turning this into a game - an interactive litrpg novel of sorts...
     
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    You gotta wait longer than 28 minutes Paul. ^_^;;

    But more importantly - Congratulations on getting it off the ground! Love the examples. LOL @ "The Battle of Flowershield Fortress against Orcs." I'm impressed though with how the characters seem to be very consistent across the different fields. Like the young man who grew up pampered and craving adventure is later mentioned to be cowardly. Seems very appropriate to me.

    I'm shocked at the computation costs though. $5/month for 40 generations? That's pretty eye-popping. Are these all pass-thru AWS costs?
     
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    Haha, right? I'm a bit impatient ... read: nervous!

    Yeah, it's super expensive currently. I'm paying roughly $0.06+ to OpenAI (depending on the length) and have server costs, etc. The problem right now is that I'm not fine-tuning GPT-3, so I have to give it 2 examples (500+ words) to get 400+ words out... If this takes off, though, I want to use the content generated to train (fine-tune) GPT-3 and hopefully then be able to tell it "Give me a castle..." and it will be a LOT cheaper ... at that point I can pass the savings on to you.

    Do you think $0.12/generation is prohibitively high?

    If you're just in it for gaming, the $5 also allows you access to hundreds (thousands?) of already generated content in the library. There's a CREATOR tier too where generations would be kept private, but I charge a bit more for that one.

    Some of the examples are great, though. I just added a feature to add a "style" to output based on an author - so, Terry Brooks style vs Fritz Leiber style.

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    Here's the Paul Bellow "style" haha...

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    It's really impressive content, I gotta say.

    As for the cost, hmmmm... I don't think I know what I'm talking about in this arena professionally. But, my reaction as a potential customer is that there's a lot of free ways to get character, item, skill... seeds randomly. They aren't nearly as good, but they're free and I have to do the final work of customizing the result for my campaign/book either way.

    That's your competition as I see it.

    Oh, and one last thought - I worry about the price as a customer b/c I never generate a few of these things. I tend to generate 10-15 in order to get the 1 description that fits what I want.
     
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    Idea: You mentioned putting in 500 words x2 to get 400 out... Could I [the customer] supply samples of my own text for this process in order to get content that's customized to my project? That'd be a big value add IMO as it would save work and differentiate you from the freebies.
     
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    OpenAI is super worried about toxic content coming out, so they've not approved any open-ended generations ... yet. I've heard a rumor that might be allowing it soon. In the original version I had a text box you could type in one sentence - this is a hill goblin that's afraid of heights - and the AI would pick up on it and deliver. I'll be sure to let you know if the price drops or I can make it more customizable.

    Thanks for the input!

    Oh, and I set up a referral program. For each person you refer that signs up, you earn 5 extra credits. The pricing and everything else is still a work in progress...
     
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    That's a legit worry haha. I can see people salivating for it to create epic quantities of low-grade content for the purposes of fanaticism/racism/porn.

    How'd you put in your 400 words of sample then? One line at a time?
     
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    It's an API, so I construct custom "prompts" to feed to the AI and it spits back an answer... Right now, I store all the examples in a database and pull them out as needed depending on what people choose with the dropdown options, etc.

    So for your idea it would likely just be a text box you paste in an example? Not sure what tools OpenAI has in mind.

    More examples in a new video...

     
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    Teaching it governments and warlock patrons next...

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    A text box is what I'd imagined. I'd probably find a 500 word sample that was the most exemplary of the work. Wait... idea.... I'd write and use the blurb (or a blurb-like sample) because that contains all the right notes and hooks. That'd be perfect!

    Edit: For sample #1, the blurb. For sample #2, the first 500 words.
     
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    This part of writing (gaming) is the most fun for me. I'd have no desire to replace it with automation.

    The one thing that is interesting about the products is the way they have a realistic level of disjointedness that doesn't break the bank. It makes them seem like they come from a huge world. That's kind of cool.
     
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    I'm going to cherry pick and edit the best and publish as collections on Amazon since the subscriptions are going so slow... will have a link to LitRPG Adventures in the back... Maybe $0.99 each in KU to really push and try to generate interest in the site AND make a bit of revenue to pay for the tools... I'm $750 in so far, so gotta hustle if I want to keep having access to the most powerful language model in the world right now...

    I will be tying them together in a world eventually for the MMORPG, but I need to at least justify the time I've spent thus far on the project. So, as Jim Morrison said (??), I must, for a time, become a Prince of Industry... Small smile...

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