Center of knowledge

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  1. Dragon

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    Maybe we have been thinking about the library too much from a mechanics perspective instead of seeing it from a historical perspective, namely what the great libraries were before the rise of the printing press (which may never be a thing in the land given the requirements to create lorebooks, skillbooks, spellbooks, expertise books and so on) and for centuries after. They were centers of knowledge and more often than not they were sponsored by great lords and kings. There is a great deal of prestige as well as advantages in sponsoring such a place, especially combined with an open society such as Richter's.


    t could see a core library directly impacting:

    City mechanics:
    - Attracts more citizens (may not strictly speaking be a mechanic)
    - improved morale and loyalty.
    - improved learning speed and retention
    - Increased skill gain

    Diplomacy:
    - Somewhat Greater regard from nearly anyone depending on their level of interest in knowledge. Very few powers view knowledge as inherently bad even if they believe certain types have to be limited for the greater good. That could be anything from knowledge of stealing souls to the fact that other realms have abolished slavery and instituted the relatively more benign institution of serfdom. Some might even have gone a step further and done away with that institution as well, binding the people to the land but otherwise leaving them free in a legal sense.
    - Major bonuses to relationships with any knowledge focused powers.
    - Greater renown and fame for vlillage/Richter. This is the one corebuilding I would tell the rest of the world about because its likely to attract more friends than foes.

    Research
    - Greatly increased cap for each tier of research. The scholars hut is focused on the generation of research points, perhaps the library is focused on increasing the amount you can generate.
    - Almost certainly a limited amount of passive researchpoints.
    - A miniscule amount of research added for "free" researchers working within the library as long as they have not reached the cap for that rank.

    Bookmaking
    - Boosts to the speed with which skill, expertise, lore, spell, etc. books can be made. This will allow for the rapid dissemination of knowledge in the community so within bounds for a center of learning.


    Indirectly
    I also think a core library will attract scholars, loremasters, anyone with an interest in knowledge, especially that of other races that normally stay within their own territories. Hard to say to what extent, but as the village grows in renown no doubt it will attract more and more. A soft power approach that doesn't rely on stats, but should nonetheless work.

    Given the number of mages, a tower or four of magical research would be a nice addon.
     
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    Printing most likely would be a thing, but not for the creation of Skill, Spell, Expertise, Experience or such similar Books, just basic books like Lore Books, Story Books, ect, and most likely only in the most basic Writing Styles.
     
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    Your idea regarding magical research towers makes me wonder if this was created as a core building if it could someday level up and become expanded to become a college for mages. He could name it Hogwarts, and Randolphus would scratch his head wondering what would posses his lord to name such a grand library after the warts of a hog!
     
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    Printing may be a thing. I doubt it is a thing widely used in the river peninsula though, seems like literacy is low and most places outside of Yves/ Rione are either fairly small, in decline or controlled by evil beings.

    Wouldn't the big mone be in the books that grant some kind of boost rather than the Lorebooks (we actually do not know whether Lorebooks have some sort of magic, it seems like they have to be read once and you'll remember enough to gain Lore 1)?.

    After all, a lord who buys one for his own use, would also need one for each of his men he wishes to learn it which could easily mean he needs to order a dozen Journeyman level skillbooks just for that one skill or wait while his men train for a decade
     
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    If a library required three magic cores to be built, would you remove the other two currently in use?
     
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    If that was possible, no. The cores fuel the structure's magic. Removing the cores would likely depower it, same as it did to the pillar and the alter.

    Not that I see a reason it would need 3 cores for a library. It is a selfcontained structure, with limited outside effects, so one should be enough. I could see them adding more corebuildings together for enhanced effects (greater than the sum of their parts).

    The one building we know of that uses multiple cores, the bank, creates an area of effect covering 10-20 times the surface area of the earth as well as the underground world below and the floating islands(well they existed at one point) above. Presumably one of them could cover the banking needs of the entire world if it wasn't for the other 5 banks splitting the territory.
     
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    I'm all in for books, getting books, learning.. but we have a house of learning lvl 3!!!!
    Also we have like what 20 books? thats like half or a single shelf?!
    I mean, nobody reads books here, also we have no books literally, unless we copy entire library of Hisako with hundreds of books library is not needed.
    I would argue until we will have 5k books we dont need a library.
    We could have a single closet for books in the house of learning and we will not fill it full for at least a few months.. if not years.

    Also there was a library in Alexandria too... it was burned to the ground..
    The Burning of the Library of Alexandria | eHISTORY

    #CoreGolum #CoreDungeon
     
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    I think a 3 core library could have such a wide reaching effect. A repository of knowledge for a huge area. We have spoken about this before. One effect we mentioned was the ability to connect to other libraries. Heck I could see a copy of anything being written (in the area) being magically produced and stored there.
     
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    I wouldnt, if it requires 3, i would just wait the 1-2 montha it'll take him to find 2 more cores haha. But I also do think it would be worth waiting for, a building with more than 1 core would have to have amazing abilities.
     
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    I'm not saying they could not build such a library, just that at this point they do not need it to get a fairly good center of knowledge up and running. Getting more books, scrolls and items to study would be a priority. Once the library is up though, they can start trading for books (using their wealth from being a production center and a local trade hub. Give it a year and they'll dominate the area through soft power) or they can have some of their professionals dictate the ins and outs of their professions (basically their trade secrets) to the best of their knowledge. Adept level understanding might not overturn the established order, but it is worthwhile knowledge that will attract attention. HM also has a library that they can copy, though her price is likely to be considerable and certain books may have to remain controlled information. Perhaps more importantly, they have a lifemaster who seems willing to share her knowledge of healing and life spells.
     
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    Technocrat plus library plus settlement points could lead to game changing tech bonuses.

    Rare, epic, mythic, and legendary tech bonuses that could be from any race?

    We heard mention of unique magic being just one possibility (star elves, ambient particles).

    Going all out in this department now would help every aspect of the village. Its a long game move, but if they survive they should eventually become a world power.
     
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    Thats the thing, I offer to make a core ship, flying ship, then hit like 3 kingdoms/ 5 settlements and steal their research, Yves research, bugbear research.. buy what we cant steal..
    Then after like 6 more months when we will have all the basic buildings, magic energy cell, etc.. then we build a library..

    My arguments are these: buying basic tech is much more effective(dungeon loot, clarity potions, books inscribing etc.. Richter awakening 4 possible magics for some cash.. dungoen tax ) than researching it ourself.
    What we must research is what we cant buy. It's core building tech, dungeon stuff, Quickening stuff, PoP stuff.. Even researching tech for a single entity would take like 1 yo of time fully.

    So
    Steal/Buy Tech:
    50000 research points = 2k gold & 2 weeks of Richtos crew time & researhing only relevant to MV stuff/ Portal tech??

    Core Library with 3 cores:/
    research everything:
    50000 research points = 2 - 4 years +2k Gold + Richtos 2 weeks

    Who wants to be a Viking hohoho!!
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    Yeah and then those guys track you down. The vikings had powerful kingdoms backing them up, they weren't just raiders.
     
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    hard to track a flying ship baby lol, also don't get caught. You have to take risks in the land. Adventure And Danger..
    also Richter has a nice item that makes him untraceable..
     
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    It makes him untraceable. So you track the ship with the same magic that Richter is personally immune to. Raiding is fun when you are a massive naval power and no one can get back at you. Not so fun when they can march an army overland.
     
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    Unless the tracking spells only work on live beings
     
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    There would probably be tracking spells for items/objects? It seems like something fairly practical.
     
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    Vikings weren't a Race/Country, the word Viking pretty much ment to Go Adventuring, which could mean to go Pirating, Raiding, Exploring &/or Trading.
     
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    Vikings were definitely a race, it refers to north europeans from the Scandinavian peninsulas. Considering both Denmark (early eight century) and Norway (872) had been unified, i'd argue it referred to countries as well, though there were a lot of smalltime kings and lords that were technically considered part of the viking culture (sweden was unified much later and more gradually). At the same time many other countries remained united in name, but were in truth weak states that struggled to remain cohesive which left them vulnerable. Take England for instance, or as it means in danish, the land of meadows.
     
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    No, it's what they where often known by not what/who they were. Descriptive slang name rather then actual.
     




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