So was the Lich tier 2? Higher?

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  1. Hastur

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    In bk 7 location 20098, Nien mentions about the Lich's ascendance. This is while Richter was viewing the memory in the MV with Hisako, Sumiko, and others. Is the ascending just referring to the Lich becoming a Lich? Does it speak to changing from tier 1 to 2? 2 to 3?
     
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    Based on his mental defense and Richter speculation that it meant the lich was a higher tier, I think that is AK confirming he was.
     
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    Maybe a very highlevel tier 2, who lacked the fundamentals for ascending to tier 3.
     
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    Or maybe 3 we just don't know and I doubt we will.
     
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    But was he a Tier 2 Sprite that became a Lich or a Sprite that became a Lich then a Tier 2 Lich, or was he a Tier 2 Sprite and then became a Lich and then also a Tier 2 Lich as well?

    I'm think that he was at least a T2 Lich(+?) and might have been a T2 Sprite before that as well.
     
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    Richter remembered his Thought battle with the lich Singh, though “one-sided ass whooping” would probably have been a better description. The lich had not only possessed a mental bulwark several stories tall, but he’d also had a bunch of undead in his mindspace. They had followed the undead mage’s commands and had attacked Richter. They must have been Singh’s thought constructs. Somehow, he seriously doubted that Singh’s constructs had been basic.

    Snapping out of his introspection, Richter realized he’d been distracted by the changes in his mindscape. In a panic, he snapped his attention back to the ravager wurm, but the monster had barely moved. With a sigh of relief, Richter realized the time dilation had increased along with his mental defenses.

    This had to be a result of his evolution. The prompt had said that his mind, body and soul would all evolve from Tier 1 to Tier 2. He hadn’t known what that meant, but this must be part of it. Not only had his mental defenses improved, but he now had these constructs to help keep him safe. His mind flashed again to just how much stronger Singh’s mindscape had been and he shuddered. Was Singh’s mindspace a result of his eldritch magic? Did that mean the lich had ascended to Tier 2? Even higher? Based on what he was seeing now, the lich had definitely been a tier higher than him, maybe more than one. It was no wonder the undead creature had thought Richter’s attack was laughable. The guy had been one tough sonofabitch.

    From Richter’s perch atop his one-story fort, he saw Singh’s mindscape. It was dominated by a single structure, a smaller version of the Mausoleum. Singh’s mental defenses were four stories tall and armored skeletons patrolled each level, representations of both the lich’s mental defenses and attack capabilities. At the summit stood Singh himself.

    If we go by the idea that tier 1 individuals have a 1 story building, and they gain another level with each tier, then Singh would be a tier 4 being.
     
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    You also have to factor in the fact that Singh new Thought Magic to some degree and had had along time to practice and improve his Mindscape and Mental Defences and Constructs. I'm betting he was a T2 as a Sprite and then had gotten to T3 as a Lich.
     
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    Guessing just Tier 2. He said he mastered the thought aspect of his eldritch magic, and he doesn't seem the type to bother tier two sprite. It would be "beneath him" or some such, being such a prolific user of Death and the Eldritch.
     
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    I think tier two as well. We don't know how difficult it is to ascend even to tier two. The ease in which Ritcher ascended is not a good barometer. The fact that the imp demon is tier two probably means that higher tiered monsters are very very powerful and very very rare.

    While the mental floor to tier idea has some merit, remember the lynch was very old and we know nothing about eldritch magic. He could have put hours and hours into his though magic strength. We hardly know about his background other than he bested (or tricked) a clan of vampires that were around before the age of banished gods, had gotten powerful objects, and had known the previous MV lords. (We don't know who these were either but im guessing the banishing gods had something to do with the MV decline.)

    The greater Wind demon could have been tier three or tier two. Probably tier three. So maybe the lynch was tier three for being able to best it. But not necessarily, as it is about the application of power rather than raw power and the lynch had some boss advantages with his maulusem.

    This also leads to the question tho, who the hell was able to trap the wind demon in the bottle? There are secret powers to the MV we haven't seen yet, I'm excited when they start becoming revealed (after the next level of the dungeons, after the kobolds and the catacombs, after the ancient dungeon is cleared out, will will finally figure out who futon is and what the demon map does)
     
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    Likely the same master of the mist empire that created the Dark Aberration.
     
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    Sounds reasonable.
     
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    I remember there was a containment circle ...
     
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    A Spell Book that taught you how to create a Wind/Air Magic Containment Circle for Air creatures, like Air Demons, Spirits, Elementals and probably Air Monsters and Beasts.
     
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    that is right.

    You have found: Book of Greater Air Containment Durability: 20/20 Item Class: Unusual Quality: Superb Weight: 0.4 kg Spell Details: Air Magic level 33 Traits: Create a containment field for a strong Air creature. While the spell lasts, the creature must do as you will it to. If the spell fades or the creature leaves the containment circle, you will lose all control over the creature. Requirements: Must have Air magic skill level 33.
    Kong, Aleron. The Land: Catacombs: A LitRPG Saga (Chaos Seeds Book 4) . Kindle Edition.

    He is a ways away from getting to level 33, probably 15 or 16 at the moment.
     
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    The real question is what are the stats of the spell greater air containment?
    In book 6 we have
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    Then in book 7 we have
    Screenshot_20200505-161802.jpg

    What the does "greater" denote?
     
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    for book 5, which does not have "greater" either.

    back years ago I sent this email to Aleron:

    If my version is still current you switched back to the book 5 spell ranking instead of sticking with the one from book 6.

    “weak, minor, inferior, average, strong, potent, superior, powerful and grand.”
    (Chaos Seeds Book 5)

    “weak, minor, average, enhanced, potent, superior, powerful, grand and supreme.”
    (Chaos Seeds Book 6)

    “weak, minor, inferior, improved, strong, potent, superior, powerful, and grand.”
    (Chaos Seeds Book 7)
     
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    That there is a weaker(or several) version of this spell? Its not like every other spell has its rarity as part of the name.
     
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    I think Superior and Greater should be the same thing rank.
     
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    But is it a rank?
     
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    It doesn't align with strength or rank is the thing and other spells are denoted by strength (weak slow heal minor slow heal)
     




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