The shrouded evolution

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  1. Dragon

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    Not sure where you get the idea that they have a tendency towards chaos. All we have seen so far has been an abyssal tree.

    I could see lawful abyssal creatures. Devils are often lawful evil as well. Realistically most stable societies would have a tendency towards order.

    One major exception being the drow, though anyone who has read the drizzt do' urden books know how dysfuntional their chaotic evil society really is.
     
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    Mostly its the conjunction with the lower planes / dark court. Trickery and deception (Xeuterscooter), writhing tentacle attacks (tree). Vs higher plane beings who have been rank and file types. HM's Cherubiae, the tefonim, Light courts 7 steps / whatever steps montage. Again, I'm not saying its not possible just that the general impression so far is that until he's attacking or being attacked by some upper echelon types, he should be in a pretty good position.
     
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    The tefonim were higher beings? Pretty sure the light and dark courts are just evil assholes and that they have been so for a long time. Opening a portal to an abyssal realm does not really mean much, HM cannot use Celestial magic either as far as we know.
     
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    Uhm, what celestial skill upgrade?
     
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    A reward of the quest to feed fruits to proffessionals was that there is a chance to have one (or more) of their talents celestialy augmented
     
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    Ah yes. It's a talent upgrade. I had completely forgotten that quest.
     
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    Changing one of his spells into a celestial version might be cool.
    Minor Sunbeam -> Inferior Celestial Sunbeam
    or
    the talent Ship Enchantment -> Celestial Ship Enchantment
     
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    Celestial augmented talent conversion ratio!
     
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    That would be interesting. So another level where prices get slashed even further - not so sure its what's best longterm, but short to mid term its good.

    I'd rather have a boost to one of the talents that rise the capability of the materials, a boost that no one else can match. Even with every talent in the pocket, others who specialized in a smaller number of areas could still have equivalent bonuses within a given area. If a talent has been celestially augmented, only others with that specific boost can match you.
     
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    I wish Ricther could have already fulfilled that quest! If Ricther would have only had Celestial Cloud Running after the Lich battle!
     
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    I like it. Te one thing I would like to see to go with Goblin Slayer is a special weapons enchantment for Goblin slayers. That way the dwarves would have an ever great respect for Ricther at the forge.
     
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    Richter has a Goblin Slaying weapon enchantment (+6% Damage vs Goblins). Perhaps his Goblin Slayer rank will allow him to use a higher rank version of the enchantment though?
     
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    It could be how the enchantments were initially created. Some high level slayer and an enchanter with the ability to harness it.
     
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    Drow and Dark Elves both tend to the lawful evil side in D&D anyway. I think you can discount the dark elves in this series because people want to make it more about color than spirit. I think it easy to get things twisted in ones mind in regards to order types. While speaking of it though I would reiterate that a Chaotic Neutral Character is the most untrust worthy of all the other characters. That is with both sides of the characters nature they could go any direction at any time. Thus making you totally untrusted by any of the other characters. They would never know for certain which direction you would take. Also most of these characters by their own nature automatically attack their opposing types.
     
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    I recall that enchantment. I’m talking about a goblin killing enchantment that would make all the dwarves stand in owe and silence. The make them jump like a puppy for bacon.
     
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    Drow are an odd lot, they are technically Chaotic Evil and follow mostly Chaotic Evil Deities, but their Culture tends to be oddly Regimented and Ordered, but in an unstable Dog(Drow) eat Dog(Drow) everybody wants on top way. It's odd.
     
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    My point is that with any characters being evil or good you can estimate what they will do in a given situation. That is within reason. Put lawful in front of one or the other and they will always be like a compass. Where as a chaotic neutral character would keep your head spinning.
     
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    Also, to me it seems that the Humans were Chaotic because of Earth, which is somehow related to the Lords of Chaos (not Chaos Lords, I know it's confusing). That makes it seem that Chaotic or Orderly evolutions would be quite rare.
     
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    Yeah, all earthlings are chaos seeds. That’s the whole story. They were trying to break the lock “the land” in order to free themselves. That is some of the Originals were trying to break the lock.
     
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    Ya, the only human from The Land that we know the alignment of is Terrods with Neutral Neutral.
     




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