What can the village do now? Find out bugbear attack is coming?

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  1. PokemonThug

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    Hi Fellow Exiles!

    will look into recruiting more of the chosen ones next week.

    Two questions today..
    How would the MV find out about the bugbear attack?
    Scouting? Info form the kindr? Alma seeing the hidden scouts.. some powerful magics ?

    • Make more fast golums, tamed worms, other beasts...?!
    • Undead scouts.. kindr scouts.. sprite scouts.. Alma?
    • Perhaps the dungeon informing DK or DM about new "guests to the dungeon.."
    • sending a few Mist Workers to scout and checking if they have returned(but then how can you be certain that some wild beasts just did not kill the MW)

    What could the MV do while Richto is gone to prepare for "unknown attack"? in general based on the priorities.. If they know about the attack, otherwise would they do anything else..

    1. Power level the Guards in the dungeon at least 3h a day for every guard?! now we should be able to enter at least 10 teams of 5.
    2. Finish the wall, build the marketplace, mana storage buildings etc..
    3. Explore the dungeon and level up every villager to lvl 10 and to the profession & consume the quickening fruit, level up the quickening tree.
    4. Grow the dungeon by dragging new captured beasts to it?!
    5. Deploy the mobile Mist Worker stone spear Katusha divisions Katyusha rocket launcher - Wikipedia
      1. Have say 30 MW in a square formation with super heavy stone spears or stones(at least 50 each)
      2. Mist workers are very strong, so measure their throwing distance and range, then just order them to throw spears with max force at specific angle to certain direction while they still have spears, result:

        1. On the unrelated mater not sure why MW were not used to carry heavy shields for the Litch invasion...(a reference to the shield theory will be at the end of the post)
    6. Lure bugbears to the dungeons external traps
    7. Counter Attack the bugbears outside of the mists.. target their supplies, food, coin & gold reserves.. gorilla tactics to delay and sabotage.. maybe take out a wizard or two..
    8. Hire the Vamps to off some Bugbear commanders hohoho we're getting somewhere now boyzz :D
    9. Send Randy to scout bugbears with say 20 sprites and yoshi?!
    10. Use the terrains in some way? burn the forest?! attack form the river with the ship?
    11. Charm one of the captured bugbears and send him back with foxfire and a pouch full of poison to poison food & water...
    12. Use the magic core on a new MV Golum(this is a must no?)... then unleash it in the dungeon to collect resources and farm new beasts for the dungeon, then harvest another dungeon.. then smash bugbears.. yes after this battle is over sac it to the dungeon or make a core library
    what would be your ideas?
     
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  2. Hastur

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    Either Alma or Pixie scouts. Probably the Pixie's as they are now a trainable special unit in the barracks. Also in the epilogue Alma did not detect the Rangers when she killed the Ankeg.

    1. I just re-read the part about the dungeon in Bk 8 and it did not mention the number of teams but this should be close. It will either be something like this and the rest of the day training. Then next day guard duty rotation. Just making teams of 5 and having them train together of units is going to make a big difference in battlefield performance.
    2. Wall is a definite priority as is the trench. With Alma evolved her mana will be higher than ever as will her mana regen. That means a heck of a lot of mist workers. That should finish the trench quickly and even allow for it to be expanded.
    3. Agree but Richter will be back before next fruit is ready.
    4. The have the scroll of monster summoning that was copied. No need to drag. This will bring creatures that can advance the blood abilities.
    5. They certainly should make long range weapons. And the mobile shield of the MW's is a great idea.
    6. The dungeon can do that all on its own but it will certainly help level the dungeon. Here is my concern though. The Basilisk alliance wants the dungeon. How do they get it? Kill Richter? Kill the harbinger and take the bloodstone? All of that? To do the harbinger and stone would take a high level party perhaps even with a chaos seed. So if Richter better off not letting them in? Or just give access in beginning? If MV can send in troops for farming/exp why can't the bugbears?
    7. Many discussions on the use of guerilla tactics in the threads. We all agree that it should happen. Especially in the forest where the Sprites have the advantage.
    8. I did not see that one coming. The would be awesome. Talk about a group that could do absolutely do demoralizing guerrilla tactics. That is something the would certainly allow relations to improve between the Vampires and the MV.
    9. Randy could probably do it on his own but some Uddo Rengai Sprites would be a good addition. Though Randy might be too valuable.
    10. The forest is the biggest advantage of the Sprites. Burning of trees is not something I think the HM would appreciate.
    11. Similar to what he did with the goblins. That would be a good addition to the guerrilla warfare. Possible even a pixie scouts could do an ultra fast bombing run over a pot. At least in smaller camps.
    12. While I like the idea I think it will end up waiting for the next magic core he finds. I think most of us agree the next core building will be a library especially since Richter made the deal with Nexus for the librarian to come.

    Dang PT that was a lot.
     
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  3. Joe Schmoe

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    Know This! Upon reaching level 10, your Dungeon has begun to create its own dimension. It is no longer completely bound to the location it occupies. As such, occupancy of the Dungeon is now unlimited.
     
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    But does that Start on the First Level or somewhere Lower?
     
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    My assumption is as soon as you enter the dungeon.
     
  6. PokemonThug

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    Will write maybe more later..
    8. A lot of great ideas were not appreciated at that time. Just send RAndy to dungeon, use the node, go to yves... hire op mercs.. mercs will come to aid us like vamps, just make them make wous..
    12. Golum is a must. Otherwise u will be digging 100 graves while librarian will be pimping out her library with 10 books to the science yo dudes lol...

    Librarian can work in the house of learning lvl3 house of learning.

    The golum has to be made or we get a library and 100dead. After the fight.. and explorarion of the labirynth.. sure disassemble the golum and build 10 different core buildings let the crafters pump items there for 1 day in each then sac the core to the dungeon.

    What i see here is a Village with 600 dudes and maybe 100 from them are militia..(Now im my settlement every citizen would be armed and trained to at least lvl 10..) everyone would have an Axe!!

    Now bugbear alliance will have at least 10k-20k units... with many profesionals.. trained and surviving..

    Hence initial force might be only 2-3k but even that is 30x the guard and 10x over total human+sprite army... can anyone verify the numbers??
    What are youre thoughs on this Sir. Hastur??
     
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    What kind of golem do you think elementum makes?

    I bed its strong for air, water, earth, or fire. I would make 2, one water to guard the ship, and one air, just to see if he gets something he can fly on.

    Then join alma in the sky for some solo hunting around his lands. Pop in and see how the kinder are doing.. fly over to reload on water of clarity. Life would be good.

    If it works out I'd decomission sloth and make a second air golem to carry scion. With the new profession he's going to get soon he'll be raining death from above.
     
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    8. Pretty sure Randy could make it. Though the way the nodes work is you have to touch them to use them. So if Randy makes it to Yves its not like he could then take Richter. Now if they are OP mercs/adventurers it probably works out, especially if they are allowed to run Richters dungeon. Highest level is only 30 something and its got 50% dungeon loot. The other part we do not know is what is the "god node" and what does it do? Maybe that would allow transport without touching all the nodes in between.

    12. It does seem that this is possible with Richter thinking about the story of the guy that created a golem that wasted armies. Question is where does he get the materials for it? Currently there is only one higher class metal they have a lot of. Isn't Krom able to make one ingot of quicksilver per quickening fruit?

    Well the Lich's army was certainly a lot larger and they won that battle. If they siege the MV the greater numbers mean less especially if the walls and trenches have been finished/expanded.

    I have no doubt Richter will find another core at some point so that could be use for a library at that time. We also have no idea how many people are coming with Mama's caravan. Lastly say Richter does hatch the kobold egg and somehow vassalizes or allies with a kobold clan. That would be a lot of troops to come to the MV aid. In a conversation with Randy about the Kobold(when they were going over the silver coins) they talked about the Khan quest. Randy speculated about a couple of things including a black highway which I would think means portals and an Onxy golem. Because right now I do not think anyone in the MV can make a true golem.
     
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    [QUOTE="Hastur, post: 36576, member: 1255"

    12. It does seem that this is possible with Richter thinking about the story of the guy that created a golem that wasted armies. Question is where does he get the materials for it? Currently there is only one higher class metal they have a lot of. Isn't Krom able to make one ingot of quicksilver per quickening fruit?

    [/QUOTE]
    I don't know if it's one to one per fruit (my guess is 4 to one) but it's True Silver not Quicksilver from the Quickening
     
  10. PokemonThug

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    I would send Randy alone, with very specific orders:

    • Hire mercs-> they must travel by river, to specific location where they will be met by say sloth.
    • (How Epic would this be!!!? You travel for a week upriver and you be met by SLOTH lol .. they would be amazed.. very much amazed lol.. sloth for the win.)
    • Orders mercs to hit a few guilds get plans, schematics etc, also hit the thieves guild with mercs, pwn them for fun, hit a few operations by count stonics.. just steal some gold and some books etc..
    • Buy essentials(? )
    • Also bribe the kings dungeon guards to let their guard down, order mercs to break into the dungeons and free all the prisoners, get em on the ships.. then leave in early morning, also start like a fire or few just to throw up some confusion..
    • This is a Viking heist mission, buy shit, hire shit, get prisiners and And AND steal/acquire Blueprints for high level buildings, hire some high level master mages as tutors for the growing mages college of the mists?!
    • Contact old kings friend adventurers the trusted ones.. contract them to come to "work" form the Mist Emperror?! maybe this is too risky..
    this is what 3-4 days? I mean Randy would basically be a traveling trader.. with Richtos bag of holding he could transport like 5 tons of stuff. sell say potions of clarity and Teflon jewelry.. probably we could just send Randy with some goods to sell.. and the profits could be used to hire mercs.. Maybe draw up a contract...

    To do this we would need 1 Randy and 2k gold pouch with some nice gems!! uuuu soo good.
    F.E. Randy could steal lvl 5 marketplace blueprints lol.


    As for the umm Golum.. Probably like with the forge and cauldron its enough to have basic golum, then an ingredient(metal ingot, some potion, etc).. and core.. so not a lot of resources.. worst case use stone..
     
  11. Johan

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    One way the MV & HT can find out about the local Bugbears, are through the escorted villagers that were sent out. They should be attacked on the way out if the MV.
     
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    Escorted villagers?
     
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    Ya the ones that didn't want to stay.

    I grabbed a quote:
    "Richter grabbed a quick lunch and oversaw the evacuation of the few freed prisoners that did not want to join the village. Hisako had allocated ten sprite warriors to escort them to the edge of the forest, at his request. The trip would take weeks, there and back, but the chaos seed wanted them out of his village as soon as possible." Bk 7, chapter 82

    They were sent out 4 days before the invasion.
     
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    They should be far outside the borders of the mist if that is the case, about halfway to yves or the coast. With possession of the salve the bugbears are now better served letting groups like that pass. We know they are aware of the importance of surprise, given that they forego an opportunity to assasinate Alma while she is defenceless. Punching on caravans and groups of travallers is the opposite of being circumspect, essentially trading ultimately petty numbers of enemies for strategic advantages.

    If the bugbears can launch a "surprise attack", they could be through the forest and halfway across the outer trench before the villagers can rally more than a token force to hold them at the crossings. They'd be fighting from the walls after less than an hour.
     
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    On the unrelated matter, I mean I save your ass from slavery and you gtfo out of here?! wtf.. you have to repay, my services with at least 2 mo labor.. lol
    now these released dudes will be killed ~30%, next 30% will be captured by gobbos/bugbears etc.. mayb e30% will reach their destination.. They had no provisions, sick, no equipment wtf..
     
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    I came to a certain realization that right after the battle, things went down like this in MV.

    Scion: well Richto offed the Litch, nuked the Mausoleum, and was left there on a platform underground...
    Rest: oh well..
    Scion: depression my old friend.. (this continues for say 2 days?!)
    And they do nothing?! WTF... How... How.. Why..

    What MV should have done is scouted through the old portal:
    • There is no slime(use mist workers to verify)
    • use summoned creatures to go through the portal, send invisible rando..
    • open the portal every minute to see if somebody returns alive,
    • when confirmed that there was no slime explore, try to locate the loot, items, treasures, blood, dead bodies(mauler, litch, wind deamon etc...)
     
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    The portal trick is still not confirmed to work.
    The slime could easily be real.
    Exploration would be possible, but we have no idea where the portals endpoint is or whether the lich portal is still intact. It could be miles away or inside a cavern rigged to collapse if the lich isn't with anyone who enters.
    They need to restructure their forces and asses the damage. They lost significant numbers during the blast and in the fighting.
     
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    At least the training should be progressing for the new unit formations.
    That is 4 basic and 2 specialized units.
    5*6 = 30 MVers max, will be training...for however long that takes. Hopefully someone can train them, but I think not.
     
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    Terrod, Yoshi and some of his sprites are the only ones with significant military training, such as it is. Unless Yoshi is voluntold to provide instructors Terrod will likely have to train the first batch personally, to get the flow going. After that it will be greenhorns right out of basic training recruits while under minimal supervision. Probably as many misses as hits at first, with retraining and general chaos.
     
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    It seems the magic of the barracks bonuses and the resolve of the villagers would probably level that off quite a bit. Different situation than if it were to happen on earth.

    However, losing not only caulder, but both of the new officers underneath him will definitely show. They need to find new and competent officers quickly. Im sure there will have been multiple people who distinguished themselves in the attack and/or defense during the battle though.
     




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